About Dr.Turner,M.D. genetic sexual orientation & gender
variance hypothesis.......................................49
GIDJ history
2003/until January 2006
We received(1st february 2006) that email from Dr.Peggy Cohen-Kettenis, PhD.
That is an important communication, we would like all GID Journal readers & colaborators
could know as soon as possible.
Thank you.
Dear ms Torres,
Some people focused my attention on your GID Journal, stating in an
editorial that our clinic is offering surgery at 16 years. This is not
true.In the Netherlands we only allow people to get surgery after the age of
18 years.
I therefore kindly request you to change that factual information.
Furthermore, the editorial may give the impression that what we do in
The Netherlands is to give hormones to all adolescents who come to our
clinic for SRS. Again, this is not true. A faily large percentage who apply
for
SR will be rejected, after long and careful clinical examination, consisting
of
face-to-face interviews with the patient, their parents, and extensive
psychodiagnostic
assessment.
I would greatly appreciate if you add a sentence warning potential
readers of this editorial that not all adolescents qualify for sex
reassignment.
Many are just confused or have only mild gender problems.Especially because
this is a vulnerable group of youngsters, one should be very cautious and
try to prevent
postoperative regret in any possible way. This is also my message in my
publications
you refer to.
Sincerely,
P.T. Cohen-Kettenis, Ph.D.
VU University Medical Center
Department of Medical Psychology
Amsterdam The Netherlands
Dear Dr.Cohen-Kettenis,
We never said you precribed SRS for all youths that went to your service.
What we said was you understood as we understood, for some VERY WELL
DIAGNOSED youths, after YEARS OF FOLLOW UP, they could start puberty delay and
HRT sooner.
Some time ago, we exchanged emails and I read something you wrote, about SRS
at 16. I agree with that way to treat GID transsexual youths, and we do this
here... so we mentioned it.
I do not agree with your changing ideas about GID youths Dr.Cohen-Kettenis, but
surely I respect your ways, your time and your conclusions.
But the GID transsexual youths are suffering, and they need help as soon as possible.
In my country, all youths may vote with 16. I think they may decide too, if they are real girls or boys,
and we hope we may help them, as soon as we can, AFTER A COMPLETE EVALUATION AFTER YEARS OF FOLLOW UP, OF
THE PATIENT AND OF THE FAMILY, to help the suffering child to have peace of mind with the most complete
possible harmony between body and mind.
Why wait more 2 years of sufferings? Because the local laws? What is more important, old laws based on old points of
principles or to help children to have life and peace?!
Sincerely yours,
Dr.Torres,Ph.D.
Gendercare Gender Clinic
GID Journal
HBIGDA member
Among GID experts, the old question between Nature & Nurture influence in gender identity
formation, is still important today. Money, Zucker, Mazur & followers are always saying
nurture is more important than nature, and gender identity is not a biologic derivative,
but a rearing derivative, as something very plastic during life development. On the
other side, Diamond, Reiner , Dorner and also Torres suggest we have enough evidence
to say, nature is the essencial determination factor for gender identity formation.
That is a very important question FOR THE PATIENT`S POINT OF VIEW, because the Nurture team
prescribe children may not be evaluated and corrected, because they have plastic or labile
gender identities... so we would need to wait 18 years or more, to take the steps to
transition, HRT and SRS.
On the contrary, if gender identity is not so plastic, then early diagnosis, treatment, HRT
and transition would be performed for children and adolescents AS THE PATIENTS ASK FOR IT.
In GIDJ 3(2) 2005 edition, Dr.Torres show BOTH... NATURE & NURTURE are important in a
complimentary way... NATURE DEFINES THE PROCESS.... and later NURTURE may help or disturb
that process.
For Hermaphrodites and some Intersex, rearing therapies may help to define a gender
polarization and stabilization, BECAUSE THE NATURE DETERMINES NOT GOOD POLARITY... BUT most
of times Intersex and even some Hermaphrodites may have a natural gender polarity, and in those
situations, nurture may disturb the stability of the system.
GID`s, mainly TS and CD`s are very polar, and need no external help to define inner natural
polarity... the help they need is to correct their bodies, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE (TS) and to
live with their possible problems (CD`s).
TG`s or GIDNOS may be not so polar, and may need some external help sometimes.
The main conclusion is:
Some need some Nurture help... to polarize, BECAUSE THEIR PARTICULAR SITUATION may be a
little bit
gender identity plastic or labile (most hermaphrodites and some Intersex, for example,
as PAIS intersex);
Some need Nurture help not to discover a gender polarity, but to live in harmony
with that inner
polarity, as TS and CD`s for example;
Some need special help as GIDNOS (TG) to live in a not so well polar way, for example.
Read the paper please! Nature is not all... but it surely is the main development stage.
Nurture
is also important, and may help the patient or disturb sometimes.
Most of times, gender
identity IS NOT PLASTIC (as David Reimer`s example), and we may diagnose children as
soon as possible, and most of times for Transsexuals, that is really possible!
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Julgamos muito importante os novos conceitos e o ponto de vista inovador de Dra.Torres
sobre a dinâmica da formação da identidade de gênero como um sistema complexo, que pode
divergir ou convergir para um atrator, que pode convergir de forma estável ou periódica
e inestável, definindo assim uma TRAJETÓRIA de formação da identidade de gênero, que começa
na concepção, passa por 5 estágios biológicos, sofre influências e estabilizações ou
perturbações do meio ambiente social, cultural e ecológico, e que dinamicamente deve ser
interpretado, como um sistema complexo e dinâmico, com um fundamento biológico original.
Esses conceitos Dra.Torres desenvolve em seus cursos na GIGS- Gendercare International GID School,
a primeira Web School para Estudo e Ensino sobre as variâncias possíveis de gênero, entre elas incluídos
os casos de intersexo, de hermafroditismo e de transtornos de identidade de gênero, como
transexualismo, transgenderismo e crossdressing, os mais variados.
Por isso editamos como uma edição especial e gratuita, essa edição do GID Journal, com um resumo
de uma pequena parte do conteúdo básico de tres dos 10 módulos dos dois primeiros estágios dos
cursos sobre esses assuntos ministrados pela Dra.Torres na GIGS GIDSchool.
Aproveitem a oportunidade! É IMPERDÍVEL!!!!
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We will receive to publish in the next edition, a paper from Dr.Turner, about transsexuality,
homosexuality and genetics.
We will publish soon also, a paper from Prof.Italiano, about the
possible relation between DAX-1,
Klinefelter syndrome and transsexualism.
We received a letter and comment from Bhakti Ananda Goswami, about a work published by
Dr.Willian Reiner,PhD.
As we personally believe Gender Identity is a very
unstable nonlinear dynamical system during human gestation, we intend to continue
publishing Dr.Torres papers
about Gender Identity nonlinear uncertainties and Poincaré
Chaos concepts... soon!!!
We have now, for GID Journal, our ISSN registration.
Our number is
ISSN 1806-0552
As we have
not with sure a lot of papers to publish, it will continue as a quarterly journal, from 2004 on.
We would like to receive, to publish in our editions, articles about SRS
surgeries, MtF and/or FtM.
Dr.Kim and Dr.Suporn could help us publishing Dr.Suporn MtF surgery, as Dr.Cury from Brazil
published some time ago!!!
We invite also all other Thai SRS MtF surgeons, as Dr.Preecha, Dr.Kunaporn, Dr.Kamol....
please, send us your surgeries so we may know their details and discuss them.
Sensitivity, orgasm possibilities, depth of the neo-vagina, preservation or not of
prostate, orchiectomization before SRS, poil elimination from the neo-vagina
internal tissues,
among other aspects need to be discussed and
showed so all may develop new resources for the GID MtF transsexual patients.
The same we may say about FtM SRS.... about metoidioplasty....about tissue
cloning for neo-phallus
enlargement after metoidioplasty... about mastectomy, and other aspects.
We would like also to invite Brazilian surgeons too, as Dr. Luis Carlos Miranda
from UFRJ in Rio de Janeiro, and Dr.Walter Kopf from Porto Alegre, among others, to
show your surgeries.
Not only from Thailand and Brazil, but from all other countries... GID jornal is a free
resource to spread new techniques.
We would like to invite all experts to debate details and results
about SRS MtF and FtM surgeries, and related subjects as gender identity formation,
gender identity stability....why not???
We received the confirmation from Dr.Sam Winter, Ph.D., he intend to
join us in
our GID Journal
Ed Board.Thank you Dr.Winter!
We received also two other important letters... one from Dr.Suzana Herculano-Houzel,PhD,
a very important Brazilian neurobiologist. She will write now a book, in Portuguese, about
"The Adolescent Brain".... and she will talk to us to make contributions in all aspects of
gender identity formation and GID.... probably for the first semester of 2004.
We received a letter from Dr.Kim,PhD from Dr.Suporn Clinic....soon she will send us papers
and come to our Board...
perhaps later, Dr.Suporn too.
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See here the wonderful letter we received from Dr.Gunther Dörner, from Berlin,
Germany:
Dear Dr. Torres:
Many thanks for your kind e-mail of October 23 and your invitation to be a Honorary
Member of your GID Journal.
We both completely agree about the origin and development of gender identity, but
not of all of sexual orientation. Therefore I would by you to turn down your
friendly invitation. I think that the Bonobo ape is not a classical example
for the explanation of human bi- and homosexuality. Nevertheless, I wish you all
the best for your new Journal and your Gender Clinic.
I have still a question: “Are you the author of “MEU SEXO REAL” and Martha C.
Freitas was only your pen name?”
I was very sorry, that I could not find a publisher for a German edition of
this excellent book, apart from a different explanation of sexual orientation.
With cordial regards
Sincerely yours,
Günter Dörner
That is a great honour for me, and for GID Journal, to receive that letter from
Dr.Dörner.
As I said in my GID Journal november edition small paper, we may not agree in all
subjects, but that will change not how I admire him as a predecessor, as the pioneer
of the sex of the brain researching, when all authorities believed with Freud, that
the brain had no gender differentiation, and someone could learn socially to be a
boy or a girl.
Surely, Dr.Dörner is and will be the first Honorary Member of our gallery, where we
intend to homage the researchers we believe were the big pioneers of our real knowlege
about GID and related matters.
About sexual orientation we do not agree in all... but I have a great respect for his
ideas, and GID will be forever open to publish any paper, comment or letter, Dr.Dörner
send us to publish, even to say.... Torres, I do not agree with you.
We would like to extend that observation for all of you... the normal, for GID Journal,
is not to have the same opinion... the normal is diversity...because we intend to
flow to more and more knowledge about our human reality.... and to increase knowledge,
we are sure, the human only way is the dialectic dynamic of different points of view and
diversity of perceptions.
Thank you Dr.Gunther Dörner for your wonderful letter!
Even if you do not agree with us, you are a Honorary Member of GID Journal!
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Dr.Carlos Cury, from Hospital de Base de São
José do Rio Preto, Brazil sent us for publication in GID Journal november edition,
a very special article about his SRS MtF surgeries! See the article NOW!
clicking HERE!
Dr.Carlos Cury is confirmed as our Editor Committee member.
Bhakti Ananda Goswami sent us a wonderful work. See it here!
See here the tender answer we received from Dr.Kamol....
It is my pleasure to join with you and thank you so much for your interest in my work. I myself have developed SRS procedures and found the right way to reach genetic female genitalia as much as possible. I will send you later my own information and solution for functional and cosmetic of neovagia.
Thank you for your invitation to join GID Journal. I am pleased to give comments/letters/publish and keep in touch with you.
Dr.Kamol PANSRITUM, MD.
Thank you Dr.Kamol for your tender words.
We received from Dr.Dick Swaab from The
Netherlands Institute for Brain Research, a
letter showing us his satisfaction to be a Honorary Member of GID Journal.
We also received a letter from Dr.Milton Diamond showing also his satisfaction to
be a Honorary Member of GID Journal. We thank him too!
We received also a letter from Dr Reed, a SRS surgeon from Miami area in USA, and
also another letter from Dr.Pichet, also a SRS surgeon, from Thailand, both saying
they also intend to cooperate with GID Journal. WE thank both of them!
